Ricky Muir & M.E.P.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I don't mind paying taxes to help out the next person coming along, maybe thats the difference between us, such as when I was paying more when I had two jobs on the go.

I don't have the F you Jack, I'm OK attitude.

If you want to improve things you educate people.

Is there a difference between doing a trade and locked in for flipping burgers dollars

and milking the teet of further education and the possible cash outcomes one may realise

???

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

Is there a difference between doing a trade and locked in for flipping burgers dollars

and milking the teet of further education and the possible cash outcomes one may realise

???

Two very different worlds, both can be good $$$ spinners but if you're not going to work with your hands you need that shiny piece of paper to open the doors these days unfortunately as everyone has them so you have to be competitive.

You can't even be an office admin answering phones without umpteen certificates from TAFE.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

You can't even be an office admin answering phones without umpteen certificates from TAFE.

Yes you can, took me 40 years to do it.....

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Two very different worlds, both can be good $$$ spinners but if you're not going to work with your hands you need that shiny piece of paper to open the doors these days unfortunately as everyone has them so you have to be competitive.

You can't even be an office admin answering phones without umpteen certificates from TAFE.

well you pay to play for that shiny piece of paper

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

well you pay to play for that shiny piece of paper

I got no problems paying for it, I have a problem when they needlessly go up in price, to around 3x the amount, for no reason.

Whats wrong with the pricing now and why do we need to deregulate the industry?

I'm sure if rego on our cars went up 3x the price "just because", people would be complaining?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I got no problems paying for it, I have a problem when they needlessly go up in price, to around 3x the amount, for no reason.

Whats wrong with the pricing now and why do we need to deregulate the industry?

I'm sure if rego on our cars went up 3x the price people would be complaining?

PAYG welcome to the real world

lol, that's life

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

PAYG welcome to the real world

lol, that's life

A DR spends how long at university? Multiply that by how much a degree cost per year, then amortise that across how many visits to the now educated doctor to make studying medicine worthwhile.
Want to use a doctor, then pay up as I'm pretty sure with a 300K education debt to service they will be charging a lot more.
Or maybe nobody will become a doctor and then you have to pay to go to Thailand for cough medicine prescription.
Sometimes despite what many think an education of one person can benefit society much greater then the cost of the education itself.

JP

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

A DR spends how long at university? Multiply that by how much a degree cost per year, then amortise that across how many visits to the now educated doctor to make studying medicine worthwhile.
Want to use a doctor, then pay up as I'm pretty sure with a 300K education debt to service they will be charging a lot more.
Or maybe nobody will become a doctor and then you have to pay to go to Thailand for cough medicine prescription.
Sometimes despite what many think an education of one person can benefit society much greater then the cost of the education itself.

JP

im ready to pay comrade

PAYG

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I got no problems paying for it, I have a problem when they needlessly go up in price, to around 3x the amount, for no reason.

Whats wrong with the pricing now and why do we need to deregulate the industry?

I'm sure if rego on our cars went up 3x the price "just because", people would be complaining?

Fair point, but is the cost of a degree fully covered by current fees or are they subsidised by the tax payer?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by superyob

Fair point, but is the cost of a degree fully covered by current fees or are they subsidised by the tax payer?

Tax payer subsidized most likely, but that's like anything really isn't it? Healthcare is subsidized too.

I'm not too sure to be honest I've been in the TAFE system since 2010 and in 2013 I did a course through an RTO instead of a TAFE, which cost me $2500 for 10 days :S

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by superyob

Fair point, but is the cost of a degree fully covered by current fees or are they subsidised by the tax payer?

I still owe 60K from my degree finished 15 years ago. Of course my education was subsidised by the taxpayer. As at the time the taxpayer felt educating itself was a worthwhile investment. I'm not so sure how the taxpayer feels today.
Nobody has every suggested what my degrees actually cost the community. I know I will be paying over 150K for it when its paid off.

Had I not got the degrees Id probably have an average job earning circa 1500 per week (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6302.0) and pay the according amount of tax.
But with my degrees I earn a 'bit' more than that and pay more tax. I also spend more living increasing my GST contribution.
Over a career I am sure not only will I repay the investment several times over but contribute to society more then had I not gone to University.
I do not mean to say that I am worth more, better than or contribute more than someone without a degree. I am simply stating in my case, this is my scenario and experience.

[LoudPipes]

The more you can educate the population the bigger the benefit for the future of the community.

The initial costs are paid back in tenfold.

Make access to education harder and social decline will follow.

It spreads a wider divide between the haves and have nots and allows better control of the masses by the few.

Only fools or the powerfully corrupt would try and decrease the education standard across the board and produce a population that can’t compete industrially or technologically with other Nations.

I remember once they were calling Australia the clever country, it’s getting too clever for its own good by the sound of it.