April 2015 vfacts - Commodore 6th, Falcon nowhere

[prydey]

Originally Posted by asagaai

I think everyone should learn how to drive in a car without traction control abs and do all that sliding stuff,

i don't agree.

how many accidents or deaths are as a result of lack of car control, and of those, how many were already breaking a range of other rules before they got to that point?

the biggest killer on the roads is probably drugs and alcohol, and inattention.

enthusiasts are an absolute minority. most people just use their vehicles as transport from A - B. they don't get anywhere near the limits of what the vehicle is capable of.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by prydey

i don't agree.

how many accidents or deaths are as a result of lack of car control, and of those, how many were already breaking a range of other rules before they got to that point?

the biggest killer on the roads is probably drugs and alcohol, and inattention.

enthusiasts are an absolute minority. most people just use their vehicles as transport from A - B. they don't get anywhere near the limits of what the vehicle is capable of.

See I don't agree.

I remember riding my pushbike in the wet into Monash Uni as a student, while going round a roundabout I heard a screeching sound and turned around and there I saw this girl- who was in a slide- locked up brakes, and SHE HAD released the steering wheel and was covering her eyes and screaming.....obviously the first time she had experienced a slide in the wet and she panicked and FAILED in car control.

I was involved in a case where a lady was cruising at 100 kph along a freeway and on a curve she hit water that was running off from a public utility access road, she got into an aquaplaning slide, locked up and went sideways into an oncoming holden going at 100 kph.

Killed herself and her daughter.

I managed thousands of personal injury cases -CTP, for insurers, ironic given I am a now frustrated revhead.

Over the course of some 14 years, most deaths were caused by alcohol, drugs, and literally I can recall accidents involving racing/excessive speed of itself causing some 4 accidents.

A surprising number caused by road conditions, inappropriate speed for weather conditions, poor tyres, some fatigue often involving shift workers.

So I agree with you, that the major cause of car accidents is alcohol and alcohol/drugs, but have seen accidents where people were obeying the law but due to unfavourable conditions the car got into slides and they were unable to control them.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by asagaai

See I don't agree.

I remember riding my pushbike in the wet into Monash Uni as a student, while going round a roundabout I heard a screeching sound and turned around and there I saw this girl- who was in a slide- locked up brakes, and SHE HAD released the steering wheel and was covering her eyes and screaming.....obviously the first time she had experienced a slide in the wet and she panicked and FAILED in car control.

I was involved in a case where a lady was cruising at 100 kph along a freeway and on a curve she hit water that was running off from a public utility access road, she got into an aquaplaning slide, locked up and went sideways into an oncoming holden going at 100 kph.
.

i'm not saying things like that don't happen, but by the same token i could list off 80yr olds that have driven millions of km and never had an 'out of control' moment in their whole driving career.

i hear noise every now and then that advanced driving courses should be mandatory, but i don't agree. i guess all i'm saying is, of all the carnage on the roads, i can't see advanced driving courses reducing it by any percentage big enough to make them worthwhile.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by prydey

i'm not saying things like that don't happen, but by the same token i could list off 80yr olds that have driven millions of km and never had an 'out of control' moment in their whole driving career.

i hear noise every now and then that advanced driving courses should be mandatory, but i don't agree. i guess all i'm saying is, of all the carnage on the roads, i can't see advanced driving courses reducing it by any percentage big enough to make them worthwhile.

Yeah - on a cost benefit analysis you are probably right- resources would probably be better spent ensuring cars have good rubber, abs and stability control.

And ensuring drivers and not intoxicated/drugged -and I include all medications in this.

[Express]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Yeah - on a cost benefit analysis you are probably right- resources would probably be better spent ensuring cars have good rubber, abs and stability control.

And ensuring drivers and not intoxicated/drugged -and I include all medications in this.

You’re right, there are a huge range of factors that can cause an accident that doesn’t include poor car control.