vFacts October 2019

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I don't need numbers pal, I just use common sense and look around me.

Im a professional driver who spends all day on the road with a watchful eye on those around me, I see who's driving what and how many of them are out there.
I didn't say they were the majority, I said they we're well represented.

I interact with immigrant families everyday and see the brand spanking new cars they acquire after being in the country for 10 minutes and they aren't Fords or Holdens I can assure you of that.

Middle Eastern people are not well represented, in the last census the top 6 places of birth was rounded out by the Phillipines at 1%. Chinese came in at number 4 at 2.2%, India at 5 with 1.9%. People think that because they live in the cities (I don’t know where you live so not directed at you) where immigrants tend to settle that’s its reflective of the entire country, when that is far from true.

Anyway, Fords range apart from Ranger and Mustang is toast, and I can’t see that in anyway being a positive. I drive past their dealership now and apart from Mustang there is nothing in there that grabs me anymore, and I’m a Ford bloke.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Middle Eastern people are not well represented, in the last census the top 6 places of birth was rounded out by the Phillipines at 1%. Chinese came in at number 4 at 2.2%, India at 5 with 1.9%. People think that because they live in the cities (I don’t know where you live so not directed at you) where immigrants tend to settle that’s its reflective of the entire country, when that is far from true.

Its getting a bit off topic but Asia includes a lot of countries. Over 10% of the Aussie population were born in Asia. If you include people that were born here that have Asian heritage, India and China alone are over 10% so it could be close to 20% of the population with Asian heritage. That is a reasonable chunk considering this is a western country.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Its getting a bit off topic but Asia includes a lot of countries. Over 10% of the Aussie population were born in Asia. If you include people that were born here that have Asian heritage, India and China alone are over 10% so it could be close to 20% of the population with Asian heritage. That is a reasonable chunk considering this is a western country.

Exactly, Asian doesnt just mean China.
There's been a huge influx of refugee immigration from all parts of the globe, Asia, middle East, Africa etc. And they like Toyota.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Its getting a bit off topic but Asia includes a lot of countries. Over 10% of the Aussie population were born in Asia. If you include people that were born here that have Asian heritage, India and China alone are over 10% so it could be close to 20% of the population with Asian heritage. That is a reasonable chunk considering this is a western country.

I know we’ve moved on, but to quote Jimmy Carr, “I wish I could let it go but I just can’t”, the census in 2016 reported that the total number of people reported as being born in a country classified as Asian is as 10.3%, and the total number of people reported as being born overseas is 26%. That includes England who account for over 30% of that total alone.

Like I said, immigration is concentrated into the cities. Move out of them and you get a much more accurate picture. It doesn’t account for Toyota’s dominance. They just have a crazy broad range that do what they do well enough to keep people coming back.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

I know we’ve moved on, but to quote Jimmy Carr, “I wish I could let it go but I just can’t”, the census in 2016 reported that the total number of people reported as being born in a country classified as Asian is as 10.3%, and the total number of people reported as being born overseas is 26%. That includes England who account for over 30% of that total alone.

Like I said, immigration is concentrated into the cities. Move out of them and you get a much more accurate picture. It doesn’t account for Toyota’s dominance. They just have a crazy broad range that do what they do well enough to keep people coming back.

But almost 3 quarters of the population live in metro areas so wouldn't they be more reflective of Australia? If you live regional, which is the minority, of course you're not going to see many immigrants. You're not accounting for the second generations with asian backgrounds either.

I do agree though that its not the reason Toyota are dominant. The broad range along with their reliability rep is what keeps them going strong.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

But almost 3 quarters of the population live in metro areas so wouldn't they be more reflective of Australia? If you live regional, which is the minority, of course you're not going to see many immigrants. You're not accounting for the second generations with asian backgrounds either.

I do agree though that its not the reason Toyota are dominant. The broad range along with their reliability rep is what keeps them going strong.

Correct, and to clarify, im not saying the migrant population is responsible for Toyota's situation, im saying that they will continue to bolster Toyota's position as they are familiar with the brand.

I worked in Toyota dealerships for over a decade as a pre delivery detailer and I can assure you as one of the few people who handled every sale that went out, Asian names accounted for a large % of them and along with fleet sales made up well over half of total sales and that was 20yrs ago, I think it would be fair to say their numbers have grown considerably and so too have Toyota's and again, im not saying its the sole reason or even the main reason, but it stands to reason that it would play a part.
You don't need census stats to come to tat conclusion, you just need common sense. and a watchful eye.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I worked in Toyota dealerships for over a decade as a pre delivery detailer and I can assure you as one of the few people who handled every sale that went out, Asian names accounted for a large % of them and along with fleet sales made up well over half of total sales and that was 20yrs ago, I think it would be fair to say their numbers have grown considerably and so too have Toyota's and again, im not saying its the sole reason or even the main reason, but it stands to reason that it would play a part.
You don't need census stats to come to tat conclusion, you just need common sense. and a watchful eye.

Just curious and not meaning to interrogate but, how many dealerships are
we talking about, were they in the same city state or all over the place?

I'm trying to get a sense of whether this is a cluster effect or is your assertion
something that can actually be applied universally across all Australia dealerships..

We already know that Toyota is very strong in commercial fleet sales and have been
so for a very long time.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Just curious and not meaning to interrogate but, how many dealerships are
we talking about, were they in the same city state or all over the place?

I'm trying to get a sense of whether this is a cluster effect or is your assertion
something that can actually be applied universally across all Australia dealerships..

We already know that Toyota is very strong in commercial fleet sales and have been
so for a very long time.

No worries, I wouldn't offer that info if I wasn't prepared to elaborate, I've nothing to hide.
I started off with CMI in the 90's, CMI we're your standard run of the mill showroom on West TCE Adelaide, a family run business owned by the Crawford brothers, Today it is a massive outfit which takes up the best part of half a city block and is impressive to say the least, you can stand on West TCE and watch your car being serviced through the wall of glass.
I then moved away to work with my Brother in Western Sydney for a while before returning to Adelaide where I started with what then was called Salisbury Toyota and is now part of the Peter Kittle group, in my time it was again a family run operation spread over about a 5acre block, Today it's twice the size and has been completely revamped.
There is no Ford or any other brand of Dealership in Adelaide which even come close to these outfits.
I also spent time in rural SA where my Wife grew up, 20 years ago it had a Nissan, Mitsubishi, Holden and Ford dealers, Nissan and Mitsubishi disappeared overnight, Holden, one of the first licensed dealers in the country folded and the owner of the Ford dealer bought the Holden premises and rebranded his entire outfit Toyota.

Now whilst you may say that's all SA and obviously a cluster thing, I'd say the likelihood of all that happening in one small area is just as 'unlikely' as not every Immigrant or farmer lives in SA.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Middle Eastern people are not well represented, in the last census the top 6 places of birth was rounded out by the Phillipines at 1%. Chinese came in at number 4 at 2.2%, India at 5 with 1.9%. People think that because they live in the cities (I don’t know where you live so not directed at you) where immigrants tend to settle that’s its reflective of the entire country, when that is far from true.

Anyway, Fords range apart from Ranger and Mustang is toast, and I can’t see that in anyway being a positive. I drive past their dealership now and apart from Mustang there is nothing in there that grabs me anymore, and I’m a Ford bloke.

I am going to utter some blasphemy here, by my own standards. I would love a Ranger and a Mustang but having bought a new 2015 Kuga for my wife, I would be happy to look at a new Escape. Butt ugly but great SUV. There. I said it.

I hope my ZD Fairlane does not read this thread...