vFacts October 2019

[BENT_8]

Now that I've given a snapshot of my history in the motor industry, perhaps some of those who share an alternative view would like to offer up theirs so we can get an idea of where their opinions are coming from.

Whilst I'll admit I've been out of the loop for a few years now, I was amongst it when they we're a mid pack contender and watched first hand the rise to the dominant force they are today, where they sit today does not surprise me one bit.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Now that I've given a snapshot of my history in the motor industry, perhaps some of those who share an alternative view would like to offer up theirs so we can get an idea of where their opinions are coming from.

Whilst I'll admit I've been out of the loop for a few years now, I was amongst it when they we're a mid pack contender and watched first hand the rise to the dominant force they are today, where they sit today does not surprise me one bit.

Bent,
My intention was not to critisize here, it is you who is claiming to have first
hand knowledge on Toyota sales.
Let's face it, your info is twenty years stale and based on Adelaide/South Australian sales data
but we know that South Australia makes up just over seven percent of Australia's population

Is it wise to assume your observations are valid across the rest of Australia's other 24 million people?

I make no such claims to know specific sales demographics for Ford or Toyota
but express optimism that given new, different vehicles, Ford will stand a better
chance of attracting more of Toyota's SUV sales traffic. I still can't work out whether
you're dismissal of that is because you think that those sales will have to come from
fleet sales or from high series retail buyers that mostly Asian descent..

Suggestions are that buyers of certain brands will swing if the carrot is big enough, I've seen certain people knock back a particular car just because the wrong digits appeared in the VIN, these people won't drop 60k on an unknown when they know what they get from their safe place.

It's not about those who will never change, it's about thost that are willing to look around..

I'm simply thinking that there's a whole bunch of dispossessed performance buyers out there
who have settled for more mundane vehicles until something better to them is offered
that is spurred on by the outcry that came when the Ranger Raptor was revealled
and the Everest basically followed it with a two litre diesel as the apex of performance.
Surely from there, the only way is up.....even a three litre V6 diesel would be a big help.

It's not like I walked into Chinatown and asked who likes rice..

More like you worked in a Chinese/ Asian takeaway and lots of folks love that....

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I still can't work out whether
you're dismissal of that is because you think that those sales will have to come from
fleet sales or from high series retail buyers that mostly Asian descent..

It's not about those who will never change, it's about thost that are willing to look around..

Neither, I think the idea that buyers will venture away from a brand which provides great customer service, solid reliability in 99% of cases and exceptional resale value, and drop 40-70k on an unknown, especially when they read mainly negative feedback in media and in online reviews, is unlikely.
Toyota buyers don't shop for performance, they shop for tried and proven which is why they are life long repeat customers.
We all joke about boring drivers driving boring white goods, but that white goods manufacturer is flogging more in a month than others In a qtr, unless you consider every one of those buyers as idiots, and just like my comments being only relevant to my bubble, you don't know all 16k to judge, I'd say Toyota have a sound model.