Point to point speed cameras may be coming to WA

[DoreSlamR]

Seems the government isn't making enough money as it so they want to introduce these stupid point to point cameras.

More than 3000km of the State’s roads would be blanketed with pointto-point speed cameras capable of measuring average speeds over long distances under a radical plan that has won the support of WA’s top traffic policeman. Traffic and operations Assistant Commissioner Steve Brown has described the cameras, which are placed up to 30km apart and measure the average speed of a vehicle between two points, as the “ultimate model” for speed enforcement.

The cameras would monitor vast stretches including sections of the Kwinana and Mitchell freeways, and Albany, Roe and Tonkin highways.

In the country, the cameras would target long sections of major roads such as the South-West, Brand and Great Eastern highways.
Professor Cameron estimated that the point-to-point cameras would see police issue about 850,000 speeding fines a year.
Based on an average fine of $150, this would equate to almost $130 million a year in fines revenue.

I'm seeing a theme here... Long, stretches of good quality highways and freeways


How ridiculous!

I don't see how this will save lives...Will it stop people drink driving? will it stop them from falling asleep at the wheel??

These are the things that actually kill on the road, not averaging a speed slightly over the limit...god forbid if you have to overtake a few road trains!

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[Windsor220]

They may aswell just make everyone who owns a car pay the government $500 a year and get rid of all the cameras on the road. Would have the same effect.

[svo347]

Great so not much use owning a radar detector then :( i just bought one the other day for $650

[Auslandau]

Instead of this quote .......

Professor Cameron estimated that the point-to-point cameras would see police issue about 850,000 speeding fines a year.

Wouldnt it be better to say:

Professor Cameron estimated that the point-to-point cameras would save umpteen lives but be minimal in the amount of revenue raised.

How many accidents, fatal or otherwise occur on these roads??



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[Suvo]

We have the point-to-point cameras here and in my opinion they are a pain in the butt, a driver sitting there doing between 90-100 is quite annoying, go to overtake and up their speed goes, so you speed up to pass which, in turn shortening the time to pass the 2 cameras which gives the government another holiday paid for by you. They bring in more road rage then road safety.

[new2ford]

What a fantastic population control technique - killing people by highway hypnosis! And the government can put the blame on the people who get killed. And get lots of revenue out of it too. Clever.

[satria]

I'm raging already and they haven't even placed any down yet. This is just rediculous.

I'll be really fudged because my speedo in the xw bounces up and down by about 15mph every second at the best of times so how the hell am i going to average my speed down the freeway?

I think this is just going to be another distraction where people will be so focused on their speedo's and average speeds that no one will be looking at where they are going.

[GTENVY]

Guess I'll be definitely flying to perth from karratha and back once these come in, I feel sorry for all the petrol stations and businesses that I won't be purchasing from anymore on the drive down and back up.

[Wally]

Don't forget the money they will make by selling the travelling habits of individuals to marketing companies.

They wouldn't worry me insofar as catching me speeding, because I just don't exceed speed limits, but there is a part of me that objects to being constantly tested for compliance. It's like having a boss that is all too quick to dock your pay for toilet breaks, but highly resistent to paying bonus' for a job well done.... a big stick without the carrot.

Along with the existing demerit system I would like to see additional merit points handed out for consistent good driving. The point-to-point cameras could just as easily provide data for compliant drivers who have no demerits in a 12 month period. Accrued merits could then be used by the vehicle owner to gain a reduction in insurance premiums and as mitigation for subsequent traffic infrigements.

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by Wally

Don't forget the money they will make by selling the travelling habits of individuals to marketing companies.

They wouldn't worry me insofar as catching me speeding, because I just don't exceed speed limits, but there is a part of me that objects to being constantly tested for compliance. It's like having a boss that is all too quick to dock your pay for toilet breaks, but highly resistent to paying bonus' for a job well done.... a big stick without the carrot.

Along with the existing demerit system I would like to see additional merit points handed out for consistent good driving. The point-to-point cameras could just as easily provide data for compliant drivers who have no demerits in a 12 month period. Accrued merits could then be used by the vehicle owner to gain a reduction in insurance premiums and as mitigation for subsequent traffic infrigements.

The governments, implementing a good idea?

[LowEL2XR8]

Great idea!!!! Not.

Whats to stop you flogging it way over the limit for a couple of ks driving recklessly and then drop to 10ks under the limit until you hit the finish camera?

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by LowEL2XR8

Great idea!!!! Not.

Whats to stop you flogging it way over the limit for a couple of ks driving recklessly and then drop to 10ks under the limit until you hit the finish camera?

That would be the multiple hidden instantaneous speed cameras along the route, or the copper hidden behind the bushes...

[flappist]

Or maybe renting 2 identical cars and swapping the number plates front of one to rear of other.

Then you will seem to be everywhere, av speed Mach 3 if you like.

[DoreSlamR]

I'm most concerned about having these on the Brand and Southwest highways, like I said, how may road trains are you going to come across on a 30km stretch with optimum overtaking opportunities??

So in effect you either have to crawl past them or sit behind them the whole trip (I've lost a couple of headlights doing that, bloody rocks being flicked up)

Or you overtake them normally, then once you're in front drop you speed to below the limit, in which case you'll now have a semi up your rear end..all to get the average back to normal.

[LowEL2XR8]

Originally Posted by balthazarr

That would be the multiple hidden instantaneous speed cameras along the route, or the copper hidden behind the bushes...

I think you'll find they are thinking of getting rid of the instant cameras.

But passing a start camera doing 200kph then pull in and have a drink and some chips at a roadside cafe for 30 minutes then back out on the road.

I talking about Perth to Bunbury type scenario.

[FPV+fteT3]

strategically place a "P" plate over part of the plate or just remove the front plate when you go on a Quick trip just leave the back one on. If you get pulled up well it must have just fallen off. The cameras only see you coming towards them. The same way as the heavy vehicle trip time cameras work in NSW.

My mate recieved a fine from a camera it was his number plate or lets say a plate with his numbers used fitted to a car he doesn't own driven in a place he wasn't at needless to say the police couldn't prove it was him and it wasn't so no fine no worries.

I wonder how many false plates or letters changed on plates are out there cause of the cameras? A bit of black leco tape can change a plate in a second. :

[Torquen]

Yep this would be a pain in the *** 4 me 2. I drive all three of those country roads regulary for my job and not being able to overtake would make it one dam long drive. Yet another money making idea, not a life saving idea. An idea coming from the top "traffic cop" is like an idea coming from Satan or Hitler... its just f*cked

[mrbaxr6t]

give it a decade and they will implant a GPS in our spinal columns so we then can be issued fines for doing everything from passing gas to perving and everything inbetween another step toward a police state where we are all doing the wrong thing and must prove we are not. Some place Australia is becoming great work powers-that-be.

[Iggypoppin']

Originally Posted by Torxteer

They may aswell just make everyone who owns a car pay the government $500 a year and get rid of all the cameras on the road. Would have the same effect.

they do this already. its any tax or fee we pay on anything. we pay a tax on paying tax pretty much nowadays. you cant do anything without the gov getting their cut. like the bloody mafia they are.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

give it a decade and they will implant a GPS in our spinal columns so we then can be issued fines for doing everything from passing gas to perving and everything inbetween another step toward a police state where we are all doing the wrong thing and must prove we are not. Some place Australia is becoming great work powers-that-be.

Boiling frog syndrome

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by SLWXR6

they do this already. its any tax or fee we pay on anything. we pay a tax on paying tax pretty much nowadays. you cant do anything without the gov getting their cut. like the bloody mafia they are.

Yeah I meant an extra payment. They should call it an Annual Driving Fee.

[Darkr]

Meh, I'll mark them as a speed trap on my radar detector and it will let me know when I'm getting close (my escort radar detector has GPS), so I can just slow down near the speed points.

[csv8]

Radar detectors are legal in WA ? not in QLD. Won't be long before they are !!!

[ChemicalHorizon]

I drive the length of Great Eastern Hwy to Kalgoorlie and back around once every 2 weeks or so, its bad enough the consutruction work on there atm, and not being able to overtake the semi's / tourists who think its not that far to kalgoorlie....gonna be hell :(

[LOCO XP]

Originally Posted by flappist

Or maybe renting 2 identical cars and swapping the number plates front of one to rear of other.

Then you will seem to be everywhere, av speed Mach 3 if you like.

I love your thinking! l lets screw with the Government approved scam.... I mean "safety" enforcement

[deathlucky]

so if they get you from the front ill be right on the bike if they get you from the back ill get a fake plate.... hmmm i might get one any way

[mrbaxr6t]

Originally Posted by Wally

Boiling frog syndrome

I don't know what you mean but I for one am growing tired of the being guilty till proven otherwise mentality toward motorists, this is one more step toward us all being "guilty" in this case of speeding until we prove otherwise, apparently it is safer to remain behind a road train as to not cover the distance in too short of a time than to overtake it and possibly go too fast. Anybody who has driven along behind a truck knows that they greatly reduce your visibility as far as whats up ahead on the road goes, so people overtake them not just because they die in the bum on hills but because you can see your approaching environment more clearly. I can only imagine how bad it must be behind a road train on a dusty road. Not only do you have the truck to try and see around, but the dust it is throwing up to also contend with.

Kinda off-topic but I read somewhere that they will strap speed detecting GPS to all new cars, so whenever you speed wherever you speed the GPS will lag you in and a fine will be dispatched (100% automated revenue raising mechanism). Again guilty until proven otherwise. I find it sad that the country is coming to this and little by little we are losing our freedoms.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

I don't know what you mean but I for one am growing tired of the being guilty till proven otherwise mentality toward motorists, .........

It's a metaphor/allegory of how a frog supposedly (and highly unlikely) allows itself to be boiled so long as the rise in water temperature doesn't interupt it's tranquility. We (society) are the frog and the rise in water temperature is the govt annexation, by incremental stealth, of our liberties. Eventually society collapses into chaos/conflict, devolution and the whole process starts over again.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by Wally

It's a metaphor/allegory of how a frog supposedly (and highly unlikely) allows itself to be boiled so long as the rise in water temperature doesn't interupt it's tranquility. We (society) are the frog and the rise in water temperature is the govt annexation, by incremental stealth, of our liberties. Eventually society collapses into chaos/conflict, devolution and the whole process starts over again.

Correct, but they hope to gain even more power when society collapses, because they have another technique called "PROBLEM/REACTION/SOLUTION"

You (the Govt) create a problem for the masses, society reacts exactly as you predicted (because you have access to supercomputers), then you introduce the solution (which is to take away your rights, freedom etc)...brilliant!

PM me for examples of the above.

This is the whole point of Government, controlling the masses as much as possible!...as long as we don't resist they will continue to take away our freedom's using any reason they think we'll buy.

Point-to-point camera's...yet another scheme to rob us of what little money we have left in our pockets for the corporately owned Federal Government to give as bonuses to their CEO's and Executives...brilliant.

[388cube_edxr8]

i like the idea of passing the first camera at 200kph+ and then stopping with some mates for some chips and a burnout comp. we will find a way around these, we are australians, and they are just a joke.

the govt can get rooted as far as im concerned, the laready charge random fees on rego.

and whats with that?! why does it cost more for me to register a V8? it doesnt cost the govt more for me to drive it on the road.

its all a scam, and i aint buyin it.