|
Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated. |
|
The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
05-05-2009, 12:37 AM | #1 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
Well this is just a report but I assume Ratt will be able to provide us with all the figures.
A quick look - Local Toyota sales down by 50% - Falcon up by 24% - Toyota sales down by 37% - Holden down by 23% - Ford down by 17% - Mitsubishi down by 37% - Honda down by 30% - Mazda and Nissan down by 24% - Hyundai up by 12% - Territory sold 635 units, a drop of 40% Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
05-05-2009, 12:45 AM | #2 | ||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
April last year saw the Falcon sell 1884 Falcons, so that would mean about:
Falcon 2336 Commodore 3336
__________________
Daniel |
||
05-05-2009, 12:51 AM | #3 | |||
Getting it done.....
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 2,219
|
Quote:
I'd like to see the full report to see how the rest of ford's lineup did also....
__________________
Dynamic White 1995 EF XR6 Auto Now with: Pacemaker 4499s Lukey Catback Exhaust Chrome BA XR-style tip Airdam Mounted CAI with modified (bellmouth) airbox Trip Computer install KYB shocks Bridgestone Adrenalin tyres Coming Soon: Exhaust Overhaul..... |
|||
05-05-2009, 01:03 AM | #4 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
05-05-2009, 01:25 AM | #5 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 888
|
Good to see the falcon improving
Interesting point about the scrappage scheme. I wonder what the effect that scheme would have in OZ. I'd hate to see it be responsible for the destruction of any classics, say an XY falcon for example. But if it got rid of all the old run of the mill, road going, fridge or washing machine type cars then that would be a good thing. I also wonder if reducing the amount of older cars on the road it may even have the effect of improving resale value of those that remain? |
||
05-05-2009, 10:57 AM | #6 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,710
|
I dont like the scrappage idea. Wouldnt it make resale worse? Would they scrap lots of cars that dont need scrapping just because they arent worth much? I'd rather be in a 200,000km EF Fairmont than a new Kia Rio? And I'd be much safer, can tow, can be on gas and cheaper to run than a kia rio...
Dont get it. Isnt it better to not have new cars, and keep well maintained cars? Better for the environment not to be keeping factories busy. I wonder if the air pollution has taken a turn for the better in this last year due to less production of everything? |
||
05-05-2009, 11:13 AM | #7 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,770
|
newer cars run cleaner... plus we need the sale of newer cars to keep these car companies around... if no one buys new cars.. why would a company want to sell them?
but an interesting point about factory emissions tho... |
||
05-05-2009, 11:14 AM | #8 | ||
Pity the fool
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Wait Awhile
Posts: 8,997
|
The whole point of a scrappage scheme is to support the car industry, nothing more. Getting people into safer, less polluting cars is simply a convenient (and worthwhile) side-effect of the scheme which is the basis governments here and there use to spruik it to the masses.
Germany's scrappage scheme has certainly come in for some criticism, especially in regard to the cost of the scheme and the 'misdirected' money to people who were going to buy a new car anyway, regardless of the scheme. |
||
05-05-2009, 11:53 AM | #9 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Canberra Region
Posts: 9,021
|
New cars are perceived as being less polluting, but thats not counting the pollution to build that car. Unless you drive the new car for 30years, it wont come out infront inregards to pollution.
Bit like building a new home produces 3 times more pollution than renovating/extending an old home, yet cost is similar.
__________________
2016 FGX XR8 Sprint, 6speed manual, Kinetic Blue #170 2004 BA wagon RTV project. 1998 EL XR8, Auto, Hot Chilli Red 1993 ED XR6, 5speed, Polynesian Green. 1 of 329. Retired 1968 XT Falcon 500 wagon, 3 on the tree, 3.6L. Patina project. |
||
05-05-2009, 12:02 PM | #10 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 22,927
|
The scrappage scheme is a great idea.. but it would have to be scrutinised pretty hard, which would be easily done by making sure cars over 10 years old had to have an inspection every 12 months, by a government body and not by some dodgy mechanic who writes out a roadworthy certificate!
QLD sucks in this regard, the amount of dodgy roadworthys done up here is amazing.... pay the right fool the right money and you can get any car registered you want. If you can keep your car roadworthy then I would think it shouldnt fall into this trap, but any car that isnt roadworthy, should be scraped...
__________________
2022 RAM Laramie 5.7 2023.50 Ranger Wildtrak 3.0 V6 Premium Pack 2024 Everest Sport 3.0 V6 Touring Pack 2025 Mustang Darkhorse 6M Blue Ember + Appearance pack ETA April 25. |
||
05-05-2009, 12:05 PM | #11 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 22,927
|
Oh and with regard to falcon Sales incrase.. last year tihs time was hard coz Ford were in change over mode between BF / FG, plus many people were waiting..
As for SY Territory drop, Ford hasnt been building that many lately... Now that SYII is on the way we should see it go back up to 900 + units a month, there are a few preorders apparently...
__________________
2022 RAM Laramie 5.7 2023.50 Ranger Wildtrak 3.0 V6 Premium Pack 2024 Everest Sport 3.0 V6 Touring Pack 2025 Mustang Darkhorse 6M Blue Ember + Appearance pack ETA April 25. |
||
05-05-2009, 12:08 PM | #12 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 22,927
|
Quote:
We live in a throw away society.. Theres not alot of people who actually look after their things today... people drive cars till they break, then go buy another one and do it all again... :
__________________
2022 RAM Laramie 5.7 2023.50 Ranger Wildtrak 3.0 V6 Premium Pack 2024 Everest Sport 3.0 V6 Touring Pack 2025 Mustang Darkhorse 6M Blue Ember + Appearance pack ETA April 25. |
|||
05-05-2009, 12:36 PM | #13 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
Bit of an update
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-n...0505-ate0.html Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
05-05-2009, 12:40 PM | #14 | ||
Guess Who's Back?
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,369
|
|
||
05-05-2009, 04:20 PM | #15 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 3,246
|
Quote:
Falcon 2336 C'Dore 3177 This is about 4:3 ratio. Much better than 2:1, but still not where Falcon deserves to be. Hopefully the latest ad campaign (anti-Toyota) can change that.
__________________
BA2 XR8 Rapid M6 Ute - Lid - Tint -18s 226.8rwkW@178kmh/537Nm@140kmh 1/9/2013 14.2@163kmh 23/10/2013 Boss349 built. Not yet run. Waiting on a shell. Retrotech thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1363569&page=6 |
|||
05-05-2009, 04:20 PM | #16 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 531
|
A couple of things come to mind...
3200 for Commodore against ~2300 for Falcon. Even though Holden are literally throwing commodores out the door... Overall difference of ~1000 vehicles between the 2 brands. If Ford can gain some traction with their economy campaign and convert interest into sales for Fiesta, me thinks this 1000 units could disappear quite quickly. When was the last time Ford outsold Holden? |
||
05-05-2009, 04:24 PM | #17 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 3,246
|
Quote:
In fact, I can see Ford outselling Holden on a monthly basis by the end of the year. YTD we will be behind though.
__________________
BA2 XR8 Rapid M6 Ute - Lid - Tint -18s 226.8rwkW@178kmh/537Nm@140kmh 1/9/2013 14.2@163kmh 23/10/2013 Boss349 built. Not yet run. Waiting on a shell. Retrotech thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1363569&page=6 |
|||
05-05-2009, 04:37 PM | #18 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
Quote:
__________________
Daniel |
|||
05-05-2009, 04:41 PM | #19 | |||
Cobblers!
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Shire, NSW
Posts: 4,489
|
Quote:
__________________
Ego BFII Ghia Titanium Silver E53 X5 4.4i Gunmetal EF XR6. Now retired from active duty. Roses are red. Violets are blue. OS X rocks. Homage to you. |
|||
05-05-2009, 04:44 PM | #20 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
Posts: 17,799
|
Quote:
Ahh ok, I agree. But it still seems that Holden gets preferential treatment.
__________________
Daniel |
|||
05-05-2009, 05:01 PM | #21 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 3,246
|
Quote:
My statement about Ford outselling GMHolden by years end is due to the fact that although the market is down. The monthly gap between GMHolden and Ford has narrowed from 3,000 to just 1,000. Ford is gaining market share (albeit marginal), but GMHolden (as is Toyota) is losing it. GMHolden has also stopped importing Astra too. So, once stocks dry up, there goes another 1,000 per month... Uncertainty over the parent company GM is now possibly beginning to get noticed too.
__________________
BA2 XR8 Rapid M6 Ute - Lid - Tint -18s 226.8rwkW@178kmh/537Nm@140kmh 1/9/2013 14.2@163kmh 23/10/2013 Boss349 built. Not yet run. Waiting on a shell. Retrotech thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1363569&page=6 |
|||
05-05-2009, 05:02 PM | #22 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 3,246
|
Quote:
__________________
BA2 XR8 Rapid M6 Ute - Lid - Tint -18s 226.8rwkW@178kmh/537Nm@140kmh 1/9/2013 14.2@163kmh 23/10/2013 Boss349 built. Not yet run. Waiting on a shell. Retrotech thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1363569&page=6 |
|||
05-05-2009, 05:06 PM | #23 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,021
|
It seems Burela is about to start an aggressive sales period for Falcon and Territory. His words were to the lines of " How come we are number 3 when we are selling the best cars in Oz?" Some big changes ahead it would seem.
|
||
05-05-2009, 05:17 PM | #24 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melb.
Posts: 4,468
|
Quote:
|
|||
05-05-2009, 05:38 PM | #25 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 3,246
|
Quote:
Bringing in the Kuga compact SUV to replace Escape would also be another good move. Since sales are down in Europe, surely there is now spare capacity at that plant which was a reason to not bring it here before (oh and Gorman himself...). That could add an easy 400/mth. Gorman rode the Polites re-invention right back into the ground. Thank god we've now got Burela. Someone, who is actually 'driven'.
__________________
BA2 XR8 Rapid M6 Ute - Lid - Tint -18s 226.8rwkW@178kmh/537Nm@140kmh 1/9/2013 14.2@163kmh 23/10/2013 Boss349 built. Not yet run. Waiting on a shell. Retrotech thread http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...1363569&page=6 |
|||
05-05-2009, 07:27 PM | #26 | |||
Getting it done.....
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 2,219
|
Quote:
Despite his stuff ups at least he got quality imported stuff in...unlike his counterparts at GMH at that time (daewoo anyone??) As for Kuga, well i think we should have it ASAP. Pricing was always an issue as well as supply (its a niche player in europe anyway, not cheap compared to focus estate etc.) so FOrd would have to decontent and adjust the product a fair bit at the factory to get the spec right for a lineup in OZ. It was also manual only till recently, and only diesel too (5T engine out now i think). Maybe this is where the idea of a diesel only territory comes from ford going to a diesel only suv lineup as a point of difference?? I still dont' think that is likely though. Looks good for an upswing later this year for ford though, particularly once the fleet sales burela is on about come online, plus renewed activity from private buyers...
__________________
Dynamic White 1995 EF XR6 Auto Now with: Pacemaker 4499s Lukey Catback Exhaust Chrome BA XR-style tip Airdam Mounted CAI with modified (bellmouth) airbox Trip Computer install KYB shocks Bridgestone Adrenalin tyres Coming Soon: Exhaust Overhaul..... |
|||
05-05-2009, 08:36 PM | #27 | ||
Geelong FC 07, 09 & 2011
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Melbourne Vic
Posts: 1,552
|
The SA government is definitely helping commodore sales, i read recently that premier Rann has ordered his fleet buyers to purchase commodore over camry/aurions to replace the old 380's
|
||
05-05-2009, 08:55 PM | #28 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Geelong
Posts: 2,374
|
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575AD001D9AED
Rank Make Sales % Share 1 Toyota 13,033 20.4% 2 Holden 7829 12.2% 3 Ford 6836 10.7% 4 Mazda 5121 8.0% 5 Hyundai 4136 6.5% 6 Nissan 3724 5.8% 7 Mitsubishi 3145 4.9% 8 Honda 3000 4.7% 9 Subaru 2999 4.7% 10 Volkswagen 2160 3.4% Commodore sedans -3117 Utes-836 Falcon-2228 Utes-795 |
||
05-05-2009, 09:16 PM | #29 | |||
BF XR6, oh yeah!!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Melton, Vic
Posts: 1,015
|
Looks like an acceptable month for Ford, I do agree that we do need the Kuga here, the Escape is ancient and there is a huge market for this type of vehicle.
Quote:
__________________
Current ride: 2005 BF XR6 Sedan, Lightning Strike, ZF Auto Previous ride: 2001 AUII Futura Sedan, Narooma Blue |
|||
05-05-2009, 09:38 PM | #30 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Barellan Point
Posts: 571
|
The April total of 63,965 vehicle sales Lets look at that figure for a moment. If it were to continue at exactly that amount for 1 year 767,580 new cars sold in a 12 month period. over 3/4 of a million cars....our population is what? 22 million or something? So in a 12 month period 1 in 28.66 people in Australia buying a BRAND new car? Considering finance options on cars are between 3 - 7 years, why does this 'slump' surprise people?
On another note, that article doesnt have anything on fleet/government vehicles. I believe i read someone that 1/3 of holden sales are fleet/government. If thats true (depending on Ford fleet sales) then the 'best selling car in Australia' doesnt look THAT much better : |
||