Fuel Prices

santb · 02-07-2009, 10:01 AM

dunno if this has been done; prob'ly has. if so, sorry...
how are these so and so's able to make up their own prices anyway?? petrol and lpg; how exactly did the "cheap tuesday" thing become accepted??? price-cycle my fat bum! oil barrel/refining/transport wages don't change up and down weekly, so how are we stuck with it!?!?
gas and petrol prices different depending on what suburb you're in, forget state???!!!
and didn't deisel used to be about half the price of petrol about 20 years ago???? yes thats a long time ago, but how has it tripled in price?? sometimes/mosttimes more expensive than unleaded!!!!
isn't barrel oil price the same for ALL COUNTRIES???
and isn't aus one of the biggest suppliers of lpg in the world???
does anyone know who i can write/call/whinge to about this????
gets me wild; blatant rip-off and NO-ONE seems to know about it... here in qld, tax back on 2 days ago, but fuel went up 2 weeks ago???????????????????
HOW CAN "CHEAP TUESDAY" BE LEGAL??????????????
if bread and milk went up 50c on saturday mornings there'd be riots????!!!!!!
HOW/WHY ARE WE PUTTING UP WITH THIS???????????

ok; sorry, i'm alright now...is there a petition out there??
we should start one; get other forums, even(i feel dirty thinking this)holden sites..

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T3ts50 · 02-07-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by santb

isn't barrel oil price the same for ALL COUNTRIES???

Oil price might be the same all over the world, but it would also be taxed differently. Thats why there is a difference in price.

Mr Hardware · 02-07-2009, 11:39 AM

everything about petrol prices is just and explainable except for the weekly price cycle, it's stupid.

vztrt · 02-07-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by T3ts50

Oil price might be the same all over the world, but it would also be taxed differently. Thats why there is a difference in price.

Different areas of the world go off different oil prices. We go off Singapore pricing.

If you wanna follow Australia's fuel prices go here.

http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/snapshot.htm

LeadFoot81 · 02-07-2009, 11:49 AM

The sudden (or extended) rises over public holidays that have been going on since I was a kid really made by blood boil. Doesnt seem to happen these days though.

Mr Hardware · 02-07-2009, 11:55 AM

I don't mind about the higher prices on public holidays. They need to charge more than usual to cover the extra cost of staff time on the public holidays, and i'm sure none of you would be okay with being denied penalty rates on public holidays.

LeadFoot81 · 02-07-2009, 12:00 PM

Get real mate!

Supermarkets/shopping centres get more traffic during the holidays (easter/xmas/public holidays) but dont jack their prices up!!! And staff get their penalty rates!

Mr Hardware · 02-07-2009, 12:05 PM

So one place doesn't do it so none should?
When i go get pizza on public holidays i pay 10% extra
When i jump in a cab on a public holiday I pay Tarriff 2
etc

But anyway, it doesn't affect me, excise or price cycle are the things only oil-based fuels have to worry about. 44cpl for me!

mmm now i want pizza

LeadFoot81 · 02-07-2009, 12:10 PM

What can say, people with lobotomies are generally happier...

Mr Hardware · 02-07-2009, 12:23 PM

What can say? I think you mean who can say, and in that case, most people can.

Quicksand · 02-07-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by santb

dunno if this has been done; prob'ly has. if so, sorry...

Uhuh

vztrt · 02-07-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Inducted_Breeze

Uhuh

To name but a few when searching for 'petrol' in the title.

...

etc...

Just like what engine oil does everyone use and other threads that have been done to death.

santb · 02-07-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Get real mate!

Supermarkets/shopping centres get more traffic during the holidays (easter/xmas/public holidays) but dont jack their prices up!!! And staff get their penalty rates!

i agree... i'm a casual worker at mo and i get penalties...
but i dont buy pizza or catch cabs on public holidays..
staff are paid extra cos weekend work or o.t. or whatever reason. that should be employers problem. it's called running a business. NO products should go up during certain times, petrol and pizza included. blatant profiteering!
and servos apparently make no money on fuel anyway..indies don't. holidays etc you'd think they'd sell more softdrink/cigs/lollies so why jack up fuel?? cheaper fuel would get more people buying other stuff they don't need at huge mark up..indies aren't as bad but they all do it...
and what staff??? most servos have 1, maybe 2 and a computer.....sometimes the staff can't even push that button in under 10 minutes(yes i know that sometimes the previous customer wanders around before paying)..
and supermarket chains have a monopoly(almost)now with whatever deals they have with the oil companies..
caltex and shell are always more here without dockets..false economy..or spend $5 dollars in the indie, which gets you 1 bottle of drink, to get the 4c off...spend $5-8 to save maybe $2. more false economy. and logic.
woolies are ripping everyone off for groceries too so the $30 gets a couple of meals, to get a docket that saves $2-3 on a tank..
we're getting the rough end of the pineapple, people, and we're all saying "thank you sir! more please!!"

santb · 02-07-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

The sudden (or extended) rises over public holidays that have been going on since I was a kid really made by blood boil. Doesnt seem to happen these days though.

and mate, here on gold coast, this goes on every time...!

LeadFoot81 · 02-07-2009, 02:59 PM

Places that need extra staff during holiday periods will most certainly make more money due to increased business; its a jib to jack up prices, plain and simple.

Buzz Box · 02-07-2009, 03:19 PM

What makes me laugh the most is we live in a regional area but we pay less than Melbourne lol

Melb today 133.9
Ballarat 122.9

Logic.........

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GS608 · 02-07-2009, 03:44 PM

im confused. Tuesday it was 118.9, then the fuel subsidy was scrapped at midnight and Wednesday it was 128.9, Today it's 118.9 again, and its the high part of the cycle, whats going on :s

Mr Hardware · 02-07-2009, 03:49 PM

Seems like some people in here have never been small business owners and severely overestimate the amount of profit they make. Especially when staffing can be one of your biggest costs!

santb · 02-07-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Places that need extra staff during holiday periods will most certainly make more money due to increased business; its a jib to jack up prices, plain and simple.

exactly. business' that make money succeed. business' that don't make money fold.
BIG business' that don't make as much money as they want, jack up prices any way/excuse they can. lay-off's, out-sourceing.....price hikes. everyone whinges about banks; k. rudds car apparently cost him over $200k to run over 6 months(WTF??); anyone out there gonna plug in an extra heater this year??? or run 3 fridges?
there are some exceptions, but not many.
you have to accept some degrees of this in capitalism, even encourage it. no-one goes into business to lose money..!
but outright greed should not be tolerated. actually, the indie servo owner prob'ly suffers most: no fuel profit; bad name from chain servos; shopper dockets stop people doing fill-in shop at local corner servo/store, the indies main source of income. i buy premium ethanol from my local indie(but i admit, never buy groceries..only smokes at 6 in the morn..and occaisional ice-break...).
why do we all just accept what is?? australias biggest problem has always been fear of change, and acceptance of whatever rules are laid down for us.
those "no fuel days" don't work.. not if everyone fills up the day before, or after!!! DER!!!
stop buying from big oil. go out of your way(if you have to, or can)to buy from the indie.. the more indie the better(yes, i know most of 'em are part owned by big oil anyway... the point is to make a point! a permanent point).
switch to lpg. write to your mp. write to today tonight. go to aldi...... do what ever. stand up.

Mr Hardware · 02-07-2009, 04:00 PM

go to aldi? ze germans?
i think you mean go to an AUR/IGA.

Lightning Strike XR6 · 02-07-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

im confused. Tuesday it was 118.9, then the fuel subsidy was scrapped at midnight and Wednesday it was 128.9, Today it's 118.9 again, and its the high part of the cycle, whats going on :s

Where at mate?

I'll go and grab some haha

santb · 02-07-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Seems like some people in here have never been small business owners and severely overestimate the amount of profit they make. Especially when staffing can be one of your biggest costs!

yes; staff cost money. no offence, but thats part of cost isn't it?? unless you live in china, or turkey, or usa! we are lucky here in aus. i've done a bit of travelling, and aus has some of the best wages and living conditions in the world. good staff is hard to find; but fair wage for fair days pay is part of the deal. no, i'm NOT a union man.. just a good worker who expects a decent pay...
for a boss who respects that, certain compromises can be reached... i usually work for flat rate (labourer): no holidays, sick days, rdo's, loading......
a lot of bosses don't get this, and expect you to run their business for them..my missus in that position right now..
she's lookin else-where, and is gone as soon as she finds something. she's the only one in her office to last more than 3 months cos the boss is a jerk, and he'll be stuffed when she goes, cos shes got a work ethic.. i've done that plenty..(why i'm still a labourer at 38!)...but i get my money, pay my bills, my mortgage, and don't care about bosses problems. unless he's cool. even just a "good job this week" will do it.

GS608 · 02-07-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightning Strike XR6

Where at mate?

I'll go and grab some haha

Caltex in mudgee had it at 118.9 this mornin, not sure what its like now.

Mr Hardware · 02-07-2009, 04:22 PM

santb · 02-07-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

go to aldi? ze germans?
i think you mean go to an AUR/IGA.

no way! iga too expensive!(franchise fees cost!)
fresh local fruit and vegies delivered($36 evry 2 weeks)
gourmet bulk butchers (better than woolies, MUCH better than iga), local restaurant/export meat $250 every couple/few months(wagyu sausages rule!!)
aldi for cheese, wash up liquid, tissues, etc... mostly aussie stuff, great chocolate(!)...
fight the power, man!

gold coast residents: fruit and vegies on the move(on the internet).
super butcher(yatala, ashmore, oxenford)internet...

santb · 02-07-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

not really. original post was to find alternatives to getting ripped off(oh yeah, and me whinging about getting ripped off!). ANY suggestions to that end are good.

Lightning Strike XR6 · 02-07-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by santb

no way! iga too expensive!(franchise fees cost!)
fresh local fruit and vegies delivered($36 evry 2 weeks)
gourmet bulk butchers (better than woolies, MUCH better than iga), local restaurant/export meat $250 every couple/few months(wagyu sausages rule!!)
aldi for cheese, wash up liquid, tissues, etc... mostly aussie stuff, great chocolate(!)...
fight the power, man!

IGA is not a franchise.

santb · 02-07-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightning Strike XR6

IGA is not a franchise.

there you go. thought they were... the ads they have say(or give the impression) owner operated.....
oh well. another company forced into high prices by coles/woolies duopoly.
and possibly mis-leading advertising.. no probs, i'll never shop there(once was enough).

Iggypoppin' · 02-07-2009, 04:48 PM

Petrol prices are a fact of life. Smartest thing I do right now is buy petrol and pretend it's 1.50 a litre. That way I'm surprised at the end of the week and can usually put the extra money towards something else.

santb · 02-07-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NJXR6

Petrol prices are a fact of life. Smartest thing I do right now is buy petrol and pretend it's 1.50 a litre. That way I'm surprised at the end of the week and can usually put the extra money towards something else.

good idea! still reckon not buying from big chains is the answer. for now!