Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-07-2012, 11:10 AM   #1
Wretched
Render unto Caesar
 
Wretched's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ::1
Posts: 4,229
Default Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Quote:
“Never gonna happen” just got a lot closer. According to Ford the self-driving car will be here within five years, using technologies available today. The smart car will take over your morning commute on clogged freeways, improving your speed and reducing fuel consumption. The technology concept, known as Traffic Jam Assist, uses adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, and the sensors from its active park assist.

While driver safety is the primary benefit, the environment wins as well. Ford makes this projection, based on simulator studies: If one in four cars has Traffic Jam Assist or similar self-driving technologies, travel times are reduced by 37.5% and delays are reduced by 20%. In other words, if the freeway part of your rush hour commute takes 60 minutes, it it will drop to 38. That’s because adaptive cruise control (ACC) is better at pacing the car ahead without continual brake, speed-up, brake cycles.

Here’s how it works: Stop-and-go ACC keeps pace with the car ahead, using a look-ahead radar and mirror-mounted camera. Lane keep assist keeps the car centered, also taking advantage of the camera in the mirror. Electric power steering is better for remote control than mechanical power steering; it can be guided by the Traffic Jam Assist black box. Sonar units — for blind spot detection and cross traffic alerts (cars crossing behind when backing) — monitor traffic to the side. Combine all those and you have a car that’s smart enough to guide itself during predictable, low-speed conditions.

Ford says Traffic Jam Assist can deal with a car cutting in ahead of you, but because ACC can maintain a tighter following distance than you would, there would be less cutting in line. The driver is always in control, if she wants to be, and can take over for the car at any time by moving the wheel or stepping on the throttle or brakes.

The other reason low-speed — this is Traffic Jam Assist after all — autonomous driving might happen first is the low speed. A car at 20 mph covers about 30 feet, or less than two car lengths, in one second. At 60 mph, it covers 88 feet. So it’s easier to slow and stop the car in traffic jams. Also, in the worst-case situation where the car doesn’t know what to do next, it can come to a dead stop in the travel lane at the same time it alerts the driver to take over. You can do that in a traffic jam but not when traffic is flowing at the speed limit.

For Traffic Jam Assist to work, Ford says you need a limited access roadway with no bicyclists, pedestrians, or animals (that you care about), and well-marked lanes.

Others, led by Volvo with City Safety and Pedestrian Safety, have created technologies that stop cars in potential accident situations on urban roads. Volvo doesn’t need a limited-access road, but City Safety is stop-only; it’s not continuous self-driving.

As an offshoot of Traffic Jam Assist, Ford says it will extend the capabilities of Active Park Assist, which is offered on cars now, from parallel parking to perpendicular parking, meaning parking at the mall or supermarket. In both cases, the car measures and steers while the driver controls the throttle and brakes.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...ving-cars-2017

__________________
"Aliens might be surprised to learn that in a cosmos with limitless starlight, humans kill for energy sources buried in sand." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Wretched is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 11:18 AM   #2
Polyal
The 'Stihl' Man
Donating Member2
 
Polyal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: TAS
Posts: 27,588
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Its just asking for trouble and opens a can of worms...not to mention the dumbing down further of society....if thats possible.

Just because we can do new things doesnt mean we should.
__________________
  • 2017 Toyota Prado (work hack)
  • 2017 Mitsubishi Pajero Sport
  • 2003 CL7 Honda Accord Euro R (JDM) - K20A 6MT
  • 1999 Lexus IS200 - 1G-FE Turbo 6MT
  • 1973 ZF Ford Fairlane
Polyal is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 11:38 AM   #3
EFFalcon
Last warning
 
EFFalcon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mornington Peninsula, Victoria HeadCount: 3
Posts: 11,194
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

only works if *EVERYONE* is using automated cars.
most people would prefer to be on facebook then drive their cars, so it suits the 90%.

those who enjoy driving, well they just get shafted.
__________________
FALCN6 - Turbo, Air Bag Suspension - Hibernating
EL GT - Supercharged
NASCAR - 83 Thunderbird , Bagged
DAILY - BA Fairlane Ghia, Boss 260 Turbo
OFFROADER - Ford Explorer
EFFalcon is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 01:14 PM   #4
nipper575
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
nipper575's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 511
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

I've always hated the thought of this type of technology. I'm not even a fan of collision detection. They are problems that shouldn't need solving in the first place. For most people, a car is the most complex (and potentially dangerous) machine they will ever be licensed to operate, they need to appreciate that.

We do not need more features that will further remove people from the responsibility of driving their own vehicle.
__________________
2005 BA MK II XR8 Ute - Shockwave
nipper575 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 01:53 PM   #5
Angeldust
Regular Member
 
Angeldust's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 300
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

and if there is a crash, then what? who is deemed at fault. lol
__________________
:

Z series Clubsport HRT edition..
e46 320ci 2.2ltr Stocko
Angeldust is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 02:07 PM   #6
Kryton
 
Kryton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 9,292
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

For Traffic Jam Assist to work, Ford says you need a limited access roadway with no bicyclists, pedestrians, or animals (that you care about), and well-marked lanes.


Well that narrows that down substantially as to where it would work.
Kryton is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 02:49 PM   #7
Ben73
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Ben73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,339
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Not for me thanks.

I hate sitting in the passengers seat. Its so boring. It would be worse to sit in the drivers seat and do nothing at all.

This wouldn't even work in Newcastle anyway thank god. Traffic isn't too bad here.
Ben73 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 03:20 PM   #8
lilmattie
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
lilmattie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Brisbane, Sunny QLD
Posts: 2,377
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

I'd hate to be in an automated car when one of it's computer related component's fail...

Being the in the computer industry myself - tech isn't made to last...

Just looking at that from a safety point of view, to reduce component failure - The maintenance on an automated car would need to rival the military. It would need to be more often and more expensive than a conventional vehicle.

I just wonder how it would handle emergency situations like blow-outs etc. I'd be interested to see a few and how they work..
__________________
Wanted Parts
  • Control knobs for XA/B dealer-fit full length under-dash aircon.
  • VGC XA/B dashpad in black

Last edited by lilmattie; 04-07-2012 at 03:28 PM.
lilmattie is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 03:29 PM   #9
greenfoam
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 976
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Ford wont be here to see it unless they foresee better adds and a Diesel Falcon. (Or better adds and no Falcon)
greenfoam is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 03:37 PM   #10
tweeked
N/A all the way
 
tweeked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3,459
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Cant wait.

Cant your car take the demerit points for you when this comes in?
__________________
BA GT
5.88 litres of Modular Boss Powered Muscle
300++ RWKW N/A on 98 octane on any dyno, happy or sad, on any day, with any operator you choose - 12.39@115.5 full weight

tweeked is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 03:43 PM   #11
mik
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
mik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Melb north
Posts: 12,025
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by davway
For Traffic Jam Assist to work, Ford says you need a limited access roadway with no bicyclists, pedestrians, or animals (that you care about), and well-marked lanes.


Well that narrows that down substantially as to where it would work.
very true, a cruise around Melbourne and much of the line marking is worn out and sometimes merging with other old lines they have`nt bothered to blast off.
mik is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 04:57 PM   #12
The Snout
Regular Member
 
The Snout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 259
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Great stuff. 'We don't need technology blah blah...' , in that case, turn in your air conditioning, cruise, power windows and sat nav. Can't have it both ways.
The Snout is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 05:24 PM   #13
Rockape
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Rockape's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Mandurah W.A
Posts: 503
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Not for me thanks. I like driving to much.
__________________
PX1 Ranger

Kawasaki ZZR1100
Rockape is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 05:48 PM   #14
Bossxr8
Peter Car
 
Bossxr8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
Posts: 23,145
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenfoam
Ford wont be here to see it unless they foresee better adds and a Diesel Falcon. (Or better adds and no Falcon)
Ford Australia will still exist even if they no longer make Falcon or Territory.

Its not like they will stop selling cars here full stop
Bossxr8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 06:24 PM   #15
Nikked
Oo\===/oO
 
Nikked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tamworth
Posts: 11,348
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Long time member, loves Fords, sensible contributor and does some good and interesting posts. 
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Cool, just download the "hoon" patch, and you'll do the following:


1. Mouth of at ACA
2. Do skids out the front of various Maccas...
3. Line up against other stock cars at the lights, and enter a drag, to see who's mum has the fastest car
4. It will gain incredible lane switching speed...
5. A selection of Aussie Pride, Choose your own exsistance and southern cross stickers will appear on your window.
__________________





Check out my Photo-chop page

T...I...C...K...F...O...R...D
\≡≡T≡≡/
Nikked is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 06:59 PM   #16
brett7777
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
brett7777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 1,276
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Don't worry, panic over, it's only for women
QUOTE: "The driver is always in control, if she wants to be,"
__________________
Current:
Toyota JZX90 Mark II Tourer V 1JZ-GTE
Nissan Fairlady 350Z
Nissan Skyline 370GT Coupe
Previous:
FPV BF F6 Typhoon #202
BF XR6 Rebel

Founder of BA & BF FORD FALCON FACEBOOK GROUP
brett7777 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 04-07-2012, 07:02 PM   #17
Tysonv48
Fairlane Ute
 
Tysonv48's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 408
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

This sucks most people already can't drive manuals
After these cars people won't be able to drive at all
Tysonv48 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 08-07-2012, 12:23 PM   #18
aussie oz
Starter Motor
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 9
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

yeah, all good till one of the cars 30 computers has a glitch...
oz
aussie oz is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 08-07-2012, 03:07 PM   #19
brett7777
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
brett7777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 1,276
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie oz
yeah, all good till one of the cars 30 computers has a glitch...
oz
it won't matter, these cars will be so crap that noone will care if they crash them, would be like sweet mercy
__________________
Current:
Toyota JZX90 Mark II Tourer V 1JZ-GTE
Nissan Fairlady 350Z
Nissan Skyline 370GT Coupe
Previous:
FPV BF F6 Typhoon #202
BF XR6 Rebel

Founder of BA & BF FORD FALCON FACEBOOK GROUP
brett7777 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 08-07-2012, 04:55 PM   #20
2011G6E
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
2011G6E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: On The Footplate.
Posts: 5,086
Default Re: Ford predicts self-driving, traffic-reducing cars by 2017

Fantastic idea...until the guide line the car is following gets broken somehow, or the computer fails, or someone is too preoccupied doing something else (dozing, watching a movie, playing a game) when the self-drive cuts off at high speed and they are covering 30 meters a second...

I wonder how many people would get in one though and just let it do its thing? In Japan they have had self-driving remote control trains for decades...but they still employ someone to sit up the front in the "drivers cabin" because they found that if a train pulled up with no driver in it, commuters (even Jap ones used to high technology) would refuse to get on board unless they could see "a human driver" sitting up the front.

I also shudder to think what it would make of stretches of "interesting" highway I've come across where they have been doing roadworks and all of a sudden the lines all disappear for long stretches...if there's no other vehicles around, what do the cameras look for?

I'm also kind of reminded of this highly expensive prototype that was built and showed just how well a big company can get this sort of technology fitted to a car...
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...in-safety-demo
2011G6E is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 02:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL