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10-04-2006, 07:41 AM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Reading the motoring section of the local rag on Sat and came across an article talking about the V6 Sonata .. 173kw with Euro4 emissions rating. Supposedly with the Euro3 rating at the start of this year the base 3.6L Commodore V6 was dropped from 175kw to 172kw. Nice .. even Hyundai is more "powerful" (it didn't say anything about torque though).
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10-04-2006, 08:18 AM
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Right out sideways
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Sonata is a 3.3L Alloy VVT Quad Cam, 173kw @ 6000RPM, with a Holden beating 340nm @ 3500RPM, the 172kw commo motor has 320nm @ 2800RPM, and their 190kw motor has 335nm @ 3200RPM
with 300cc LESS !! And add insult, its a Hyundai !  :
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10-04-2006, 08:21 AM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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BTW: From my perspective this is not an anti-Holden rant .. I own a VY1 SV8. I'm just embarrassed that an Aussie "big six" gets outdone by a Korean made car!!
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10-04-2006, 11:14 AM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Meh its not a big loss really.
Only 1KW and 20NM, but yes it does seem kinda sad that a 3.3L V6 Korean car is making more power and torque then a 3.6L V6 Aussie car. |
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10-04-2006, 11:22 AM
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What is the bet that Holden drops the base model V6 for the VE ???
I think that the 190kw version will be standard across the board. Just like what ford did when they got rid of that horrible 3.2 cfi thing they had in the EA. Btw: Are there any of those 3.2 cfi motors around ??? Thay would be as rare as a 250 2V wouldnt they ???
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10-04-2006, 11:32 AM
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10-04-2006, 12:17 PM
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They only made something like 800 3.2Cfi EAs, it was dropped after the first year.
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10-04-2006, 12:33 PM
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10-04-2006, 12:42 PM
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Well well well, maybe Holden ARE better off sourcing their cars from Korea!
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10-04-2006, 01:19 PM
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10-04-2006, 01:32 PM
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I pitty the fewl with no stroke.
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10-04-2006, 02:37 PM
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Most European cars are using premium fuels now anyway, if we want motors that run more efficiently we need to move away from this 91 octane rubbish.
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10-04-2006, 02:43 PM
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hunting 300kw's
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10-04-2006, 03:06 PM
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Can we see some pics of the engine?? I've never seen one
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10-04-2006, 03:33 PM
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10-04-2006, 04:21 PM
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10-04-2006, 04:30 PM
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The Grandeur is 340Nm from the 3.8L V6 ... and 194kw as well.
The Sonata uses a 3.3L V6 with lower power and torque figures
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10-04-2006, 04:32 PM
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Turbine Power
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o yeah and the Hyundai Grandeur has got 194kw and 348nm thats out of a 3.8 though not bad for power still lacking a bit compared to the falcon 4.0litre for torque
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10-04-2006, 04:33 PM
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mechan1k u got in just before me. hehe
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10-04-2006, 04:33 PM
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but just how long will the hyundai motor last? im lucky to go half an hour without seeing a smokie accent or excel.
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10-04-2006, 04:34 PM
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Doest really matter commodore or Sonata, no self respecting person here would own either...hopefully..
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10-04-2006, 04:48 PM
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Does anyone know when EUROIV emissions might come into effect. If its within 2 years we might see BFII recalibrated with Orion engines. If its after then we wont..
Hyundia basic six has a advantage in power over holden, and the 3.8 has it over the Fordy. Impressive.. |
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10-04-2006, 05:24 PM
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10-04-2006, 05:47 PM
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power figures look good but what's the korean reliabilty like
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10-04-2006, 06:37 PM
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10-04-2006, 07:27 PM
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Umm, ok, i think your looking on the Hyundai International Site, when i look on the Hyundai Australia site, under Sonata, it comes up with this:  Quote:
BTW = I couldnt give a toss about Hyundai  : But those kinda figures from a 3.3Litre arent bad i reckon. Still, prob only has 100'000km life, like all other Hyundais
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10-04-2006, 07:27 PM
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Well since all you guys are bashing Holdens engine, dont you think its a little sad Ford's massive 4.0 litre 6 "only" makes 190kW.
Hyundai's 3.3 litre has only 15kW less power. :nutsycuck |
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10-04-2006, 07:42 PM
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He has a point there, but who knows what the 4.0 has in it?
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Hyundai beats Commodore V6
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