Genuine GT rebodied???

[jaydee]

Just saw a car on ebay, and it says its a genuine JG33 gt thats been rebodied.
So what does this mean exactly, whats genuine about it?
Is the body a GT with tags or have the tags been put on another body or has the original body been put onto another chassis?
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[4Vman]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Just saw a car on ebay, and it says its a genuine JG33 gt thats been rebodied.
So what does this mean exactly, whats genuine about it?
Is the body a GT with tags or have the tags been put on another body or has the original body been put onto another chassis?
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What's the link or item number?
In any event once its rebodied its no longer a genuine GT, its really just a same as a Replica.

[conordec]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FALCON-GT-XA-...QQcmdZViewItem

[1970galaxie]

Once it's been rebodied, it's no longer a genuine GT.
In fact it is against the law to rebody cars, as we all know.

My opinion is this.
It's the same as a person who has a sex change.
If you are born a male, then on your birth certificate you are a male, even though you look like a female. That can't be changed.
So when it comes to the GT.
A body goes down the assembly line as a Fairmont, it will always be a Fairmont, even when it gets all the GT stuff added. It can never be GT.
Or similarly, a GT gets a Fairmont body as a body swap. It is no longer a GT.

Try bringing a GT body swap to the GT Nats and see what happens!

[GRNKPR]

Originally Posted by 1970galaxie

Once it's been rebodied, it's no longer a genuine GT.
In fact it is against the law to rebody cars, as we all know.

My opinion is this.
It's the same as a person who has a sex change.
If you are born a male, then on your birth certificate you are a male, even though you look like a female. That can't be changed.
So when it comes to the GT.
A body goes down the assembly line as a Fairmont, it will always be a Fairmont, even when it gets all the GT stuff added. It can never be GT.
Or similarly, a GT gets a Fairmont body as a body swap. It is no longer a GT.

Try bringing a GT body swap to the GT Nats and see what happens!

i know of past and present cars in the GT club that have been rebodied and been to GT nationals

[Sorted]

An RT Charger rebody sold for $120,000 recently and the Genuine Restored RT Charger sold for $140,000 BUT they both had matching number engines and options........

Rebody just means they have transferred the id plates and chassis number to a replacement body as the original body was most likely stuffed or had too much cancer to restore......

[OzJavelin]

Personally I think it's "wrong" to rebody anything and sell it as "genuine" .. however on a XR-XB Falcon, if you kept the original shock towers/inner-aprons and tags and attached this to another body (from firewall back), how would you know any different?

[LukeGT]

Originally Posted by GRNKPR

i know of past and present cars in the GT club that have been rebodied and been to GT nationals

This is no doubt true, but does not have any influence on the value or legality of a re-body.

Have a think about the logistics of scrutineering 300+ cars in 1.5 days at a nationals, using volunteers from all over the country with varying degrees of knowledge about GT's.

Similar deal with GT club membership. It's not always practical or possible to 'verify' each car. Some clubs allow associate cars to be members, and clubs which only accept genuine GT owners cannot policy what cars aside from genuine GT's the member owns, so there are legit means for a member to have a non-genuine car.

I have looked at a number of cars which have been labelled as 'suspect re-bodies' at Nationals etc. and most of them are genuine cars which have had radiator supports replaced etc. over the years.

Just something to think about...

[Bill_R]

He was going to "RETORE" it - that says it all.

[LukeGT]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Personally I think it's "wrong" to rebody anything and sell it as "genuine" .. however on a XR-XB Falcon, if you kept the original shock towers/inner-aprons and tags and attached this to another body (from firewall back), how would you know any different?

There are numerous other indicators to tell if the body shell of a Falcon GT is a genuine 54H (& whatever the hardtops were) than the ID tag and numbers alone.

[1970galaxie]

Lets look at it another way, using a different scenerio.

You've come across the original Mad Max car which was wrecked in MM2. Total write off.
You find another shell, and "rebuild" the car using what parts are left from the wreck.
Fact is, it's now not the original car!
End of story.

[LTDHO]

I'd stay as far awayfrom this car as possible.

[SPK-250]

Originally Posted by Bill_R

He was going to "RETORE" it - that says it all.

I wonder if he's from Nigeria???

[Sprint347]

so the body/engine/trans isn't original GT....

that's a replica as far as i'm concerned

[Perana]

While it is illegal here I'm not so sure why, IF it is done properly, and that it is marked on the registration that the car has been rebodied and future owners are informed that it is a rebody.

I mean it isn't illegal in the EU where cars are regularly rebodied because of irreparable damage/rust etc. IMO it's better off rebodying a car PROPERLY than wrecking it or letting it rot away.

[kooky]

contradiction in terms....genuine red pepper gt/rebodied and no running gear??? what a joke, there is nothing genuine about it!!

[Miller]

Originally Posted by nitrane

so the body/engine/trans isn't original GT....

that's a replica as far as i'm concerned

Doesn't even have an engine or transmission lmao.

[4Vman]

Couple of points:

Weather its got the genuine running gear or not makes no difference, a rebody is a rebody, once the body shell is changed its no longer a genuine GT.
Rebodying is illegal if: you grind off old numbers and re-stamp new numbers i.e transfer vehicle I.D.
Vic roads and the police are the only ones who can legally stamp the shell or engine, and they use police numbers not the original vin numbers.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by DRHEMI

An RT Charger rebody sold for $120,000 recently ...

There are allot of "cashed up" nieve buyers out there who "panic buy" before doing their homework, he isnt the first nor will he be the last to get caught out...

[ltd]

Should read "Genuine GT - Rebodgied"
There is nothing genuine about this car, it is just a fairmont with probably a stolen GT ID; "I'll send the rest of the numbers to the winning bidder".

Love how he also mentions RETORED; maybe he TORE the numbers of someone elses pride and joy.
Also, anyone who says they will post a car to north or south America sounds really suspect to me. I suppose to be the winning bidder one must send their bank account details to "Sarjwat Ahbul Mohammed" or some idiot like that.
Stay away from this car what ever you do.

[mowog]

I got this from a mate

Rebody, but rare, can only be one of the following cars. He states in the response to a question that it has the big ID tag – which means it is a 1972 XA, narrowing it down to the first two (M is 72 N is 73)



1
JG33MK
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

Ford Special Vehicles, VIC
Seat Belts, Laminated Windshield TB, Air Conditioning, Sports Road Wheels, Radio/Stereo Tape Player

2
JG33MK
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

Kenny's Beenleigh Garage, Beenleigh, QLD
Seat Belts Protection Group Pack, Power Steering, Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Black Hood, Radio/Stereo Tape Player

3
JG33NJ
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

NZ
Seat Belts Protection Group Pack, Power Steering, Laminated Windshield TB, Black Vinyl Roof, Air Conditioning, Sports Road Wheels, Black Hood, Styled R/V mirror LHS, Super Fringe Deluxe PB Radio, Adjustable Decklid Spoiler, Front Spoiler, Tinted Side and rear Glass

4
JG33NC
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

Thompson Ford, Parramatta, NSW
Seat Belts, Laminated Windshield TB, Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Styled R/V mirror LHS, Super Fringe Deluxe PB Radio

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Personally I think it's "wrong" to rebody anything and sell it as "genuine" .. however on a XR-XB Falcon, if you kept the original shock towers/inner-aprons and tags and attached this to another body (from firewall back), how would you know any different?

the good guys will know it's not a 54H body.



edit- someone already answered, that'll teach me to jump in :

[GXL078]

Originally Posted by mowog

I got this from a mate

Rebody, but rare, can only be one of the following cars. He states in the response to a question that it has the big ID tag – which means it is a 1972 XA, narrowing it down to the first two (M is 72 N is 73)



1
JG33MK
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

Ford Special Vehicles, VIC
Seat Belts, Laminated Windshield TB, Air Conditioning, Sports Road Wheels, Radio/Stereo Tape Player

2
JG33MK
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

Kenny's Beenleigh Garage, Beenleigh, QLD
Seat Belts Protection Group Pack, Power Steering, Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Black Hood, Radio/Stereo Tape Player

3
JG33NJ
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

NZ
Seat Belts Protection Group Pack, Power Steering, Laminated Windshield TB, Black Vinyl Roof, Air Conditioning, Sports Road Wheels, Black Hood, Styled R/V mirror LHS, Super Fringe Deluxe PB Radio, Adjustable Decklid Spoiler, Front Spoiler, Tinted Side and rear Glass

4
JG33NC
T - 351 CID 4V
B - 3Spd T-Bar Cruisomatic
X - Red Pepper (L1474-A)
B2

Thompson Ford, Parramatta, NSW
Seat Belts, Laminated Windshield TB, Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Styled R/V mirror LHS, Super Fringe Deluxe PB Radio

How does one get such info?

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by xcgxl

How does one get such info?

Easy: http://www.fomoco.com.au/ID.html

My opinion, it's a genuine compliance plate on a Falcon roller with a destroyed GT bonnet.

[GXL078]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Easy: http://www.fomoco.com.au/ID.html

My opinion, it's a genuine compliance plate on a Falcon roller with a destroyed GT bonnet.

Forget that website, what about all the dealer info and options for each car?

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by xcgxl

Forget that website, what about all the dealer info and options for each car?

Email The GT historian.

[RAREV8]

To be fair though, the car is sold as a rebody- no engine, transmission etc which is exactly what it is.
Whilst I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, people will pay stupid money just for the ID tags....at least this way you get a project replica with them!

It is only too easy to be pious about it but we should let others choose what they like to buy. I don't think that it is particularly misleading and you cannot excuse ignorance from consumers as an excuse.

Those who are lucky enough to have A) the knowledge and B) the $$$ to buy a genuine GT are lucky but others may believe this to be stupid as you can make any standard Falcon/Fairmont appear to be the real thing and frankly outperform the real thing for significantly less money.

Horses for courses really.

[GXL078]

A car, any car without a motor is NOTHING

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by xcgxl

A car, any car without a motor is NOTHING

I dont know about that.....a rare car, whatever it is would be worth purchasing sans donk.....an engine is replaceable and as the years go on, cars without matching numbers engines are going to become more and more common. They will increase in value but of course, matching numbers will increase further.

[mowog]

Originally Posted by xcgxl

How does one get such info?

I know the guy who use to be the GT Historian he still has the data base but handed the duty onto someone else. I sent him the link to the ebay add and that was his response.